{"id":336,"date":"2016-03-15T19:05:59","date_gmt":"2016-03-15T19:05:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/?p=336"},"modified":"2016-03-15T19:05:59","modified_gmt":"2016-03-15T19:05:59","slug":"buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/15\/buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta\/","title":{"rendered":"Buie Manca! (dup\u0103 modelul &#8220;Puie Monta&#8221;)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/15\/buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta\/\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/15\/buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta\/\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div><p>Nu este nevoie s\u0103 v\u0103 spun c\u00e2t de penibile sunt dob\u00e2nzile la\u00a0conturile de economii. Erau penibile\u00a0ultima dat\u0103 c\u00e2nd le-am cercetat iar acum au devenit de-a dreptul jignitoare. ING ofer\u0103, \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, o dob\u00e2nd\u0103 \u00een euro de&#8230; (mi-e ru\u0219ine s-o spun\/scriu) de 0.2%\/an. \u0218i lauda lor cea mai mare e c\u0103 nu-\u021bi iau comision. Cu alte cuvinte &#8220;<em>Haide, b\u0103i, Cristi, nu te mai pl\u00e2nge, c\u0103 nu-\u021bi iau nici un ban c\u0103-\u021bi folosesc banii<\/em>!&#8221;<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Partea bun\u0103 este c\u0103 aceste dob\u00e2nzi\u00a0vor for\u021ba oamenii (pe cei flexibili, inteligen\u021bi) s\u0103 ias\u0103 de pe drumurile b\u0103tucite de p\u0103rin\u021bii lor. Bine, bine, m-a \u00eentrebat cineva, dar unde anume s\u0103-i investe\u0219ti. Pentru c\u0103, \u00een trecut, am avut dificult\u0103\u021bi \u00een a\u00a0afla\u00a0o metod\u0103 simpl\u0103 \u0219i eficient\u0103 din punct de vedere al costurilor de a accesa pia\u021ba extern\u0103, am luat din nou la puricat\u00a0fondurile mutuale ING.<\/p>\n<p>Voi folosi unul din aceste fonduri ca s\u0103\u00a0ilustrez ce jaf d\u0103 o banc\u0103 (nu tocmai cea mai rea sau mai lacom\u0103) \u00een banii omului de r\u00e2nd. Da, voi face c\u00e2teva calcule dar nu v\u0103 panica\u021bi &#8211; dac\u0103 a\u021bi terminat liceul \u0219i sunte\u021bi me\u0219teri la opera\u021biile aritmetice de baz\u0103, nu ve\u021bi avea nici o problem\u0103 s\u0103 \u00een\u021belege\u021bi.<\/p>\n<p>Dintre fondurile NN\/ING, listate [\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nnip.com\/private\/RO\/ro\/\" target=\"_blank\">aici<\/a>\u00a0], \u00a0doar c\u00e2teva ajung la 4 stele din indicatorul MORNINGSTAR.\u00a0Aceste stele sunt cam ca la hoteluri &#8211; Morningstar computeaz\u0103 pe baza performan\u021belor, managerilor acestor fonduri, vechimii etc. c\u00e2t de bune sunt aceste fonduri mutuale. E o garan\u021bie a calit\u0103\u021bii \u0219i, pentru un om care \u0219i-a muncit banii \u0219i nu vrea s\u0103 &#8220;joace la burs\u0103&#8221; ci s\u0103 investeasc\u0103, nu a\u0219 recomand nimic sub 3 stele. \u00a0Unul din aceste fonduri este [\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nnip.com\/private\/RO\/ro\/fund\/LU0121216955\/basic\" target=\"_blank\">NN (L) Patrimonial Balanced<\/a>\u00a0]. \u00a0Dar\u00a0\u00een ce anume investe\u0219te acest fond? P\u0103i, de pe pagina fondului\u00a0afl\u0103m c\u0103 managerii lui emuleaz\u0103 2 indexuri &#8211; 50% \u00een\u00a0<strong>Barclays Euro Aggregate<\/strong>, index de obliga\u021biuni (bonduri) Euro, \u0219i 50% \u00een\u00a0<strong>MSCI World Net<\/strong>, index de ac\u021biuni\u00a0de pe mapamond. Este\u00a0componen\u021ba de la care vine acel &#8220;<em><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Balanced\/Echilibrat<\/span><\/em>&#8221; din nume &#8211; jum\u0103tate bonduri\/jum\u0103tate ac\u021biuni. E un fond conservativ pentru oameni a\u0219eza\u021bi, mai aproape de v\u00e2rsta pension\u0103rii. P\u00e2n\u0103 aici, nimic deosebit.<\/p>\n<p>Acum \u00eens\u0103 ne vom concentra pe costurile de\u021binerii unui asemenea fond. \u00cen primul r\u00e2nd, afl\u0103m de pe site-ul ING c\u0103, \u00een mod normal exist\u0103 un comision de 1.5% la\u00a0cump\u0103rare. Acum, p\u00e2n\u0103 la 30 aprilie 2016, nu-l percep&#8230; dar nu ne putem bizui pe asemenea oferte trec\u0103toare. Ce mare lucru e 1.5%? <strong>Este mare &#8211;\u00a0la 5000EU investi\u021bi este 75 EU<\/strong>! \u00cen A de Nord acest comision se nume\u0219te &#8220;<em>front-load<\/em>&#8221; &#8211; \u0219i era la mod\u0103 \u00een fondurile din A de Nord de acum 10 ani.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_338\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-338\" style=\"width: 599px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/characteristics-of-ETF.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-338\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-338\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/characteristics-of-ETF.png\" alt=\"ETF comparat cu ac\u021biuni ale companiilor individuale sau cu fonduri mutuale\" width=\"599\" height=\"750\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/characteristics-of-ETF.png 599w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/characteristics-of-ETF-240x300.png 240w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 599px) 100vw, 599px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-338\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">ETF comparat cu ac\u021biuni ale companiilor individuale sau cu fonduri mutuale<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Gata? Deloc. Exist\u0103, apoi, un <strong>comision de\u00a0conversie fond &#8211; de 3%<\/strong>. Nu spune nimic de un comision de v\u00e2nzare dar, dac\u0103 percep bani pentru ca s\u0103 schimbi cu alt fond (tot de la ING\/NN) atunci clar c\u0103 vor percepe acest 3% (m\u0103car) \u0219i pentru cazul \u00een care vrem s\u0103 vindem \u00eenainte de o anumit\u0103 perioad\u0103 de timp. Acest comision,\u00a0\u00een englez\u0103, se nume\u0219te &#8220;<em>back-load<\/em>&#8221; \u0219i scade anual p\u00e2n\u0103, dup\u0103 7 ani, nu se mai percepe. Este tot un procedeu\u00a0care \u00een A de Nord e pe cale de moarte. 3% e mult! La cei 5000 EU, acum r\u0103ma\u0219i doar 4925 EU, dac\u0103 ne r\u0103zg\u00e2ndim \u00een 6 luni \u0219i dorim s\u0103 schimb\u0103m investi\u021bia, vom pl\u0103ti aprox. <strong>148 EU<\/strong>!<\/p>\n<p>NOT\u0102: <strong>Nu recomand schimbarea investi\u021biilor &#8211; investim cu cap, pe termen lung. Mereu aud pl\u00e2ngerea &#8220;<em>am pierdut 30% \u00een doar 6 luni<\/em>&#8221; &#8211; \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 n-am g\u00e2ndit f. bine investi\u021bia \u0219i\/sau evalu\u0103m o investi\u021bie \u00een mod gre\u0219it<\/strong>. \u00a0Dar, se poate \u00eent\u00e2mpla s\u0103 ne r\u0103zg\u00e2ndim \u0219i 150 EU este o sum\u0103 prea mare!<\/p>\n<p>Sta\u021bi. N-am terminat. S\u0103 vedem cum st\u0103 cu performan\u021ba acest fond. Pe ultimii\u00a05 ani fondul a f\u0103cut, totul inclus, un <strong>profit de 33.7%<\/strong>. Nu e r\u0103u deloc, nu?! Nu este. Dar, benchmark-ul dup\u0103 care s-a condus, a f\u0103cut&#8230; 48.8%. 15% din 4925 = <strong>723 EU<\/strong>! Ce vacan\u021b\u0103 minunat\u0103 a\u021bi fi putut face cu aceast\u0103 diferen\u021b\u0103, nu?! Nu reprezint\u0103 riscuri mai mari, specula\u021bii etc. Aceasta este diferen\u021ba pe 5 ani &#8211; imagina\u021bi-v\u0103 ce \u00eenseamn\u0103 pe 25 de ani, acea dob\u00e2nd\u0103-la-dob\u00e2nd\u0103 pe care o pierde\u021bi.<\/p>\n<p>Atunci, de unde provine aceast\u0103 diferen\u021b\u0103?! Este, \u00een mare parte reprezentat\u0103 de comisioanele de administrare ale fondului NN. \u00a0Afl\u0103m de\u00a0pe prospectul fondului (la <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nnip.com\/private\/RO\/ro\/funds\/LU0121216955\/download\" target=\"_blank\">Documents<\/a>, clickui\u021bi pe Factsheet) c\u0103 <strong>anual<\/strong> acest fond va reduce cu\u00a0<strong>2.27%<\/strong> din profit prin comisioanele fondului. Ce mare scofal\u0103?! S\u0103 calcul\u0103m &#8211; am folosit <a href=\"http:\/\/www.getsmarteraboutmoney.ca\/en\/tools_and_calculators\/calculators\/Pages\/mutual-fund-fee-calculator.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">acest calculator<\/a>\u00a0 &#8211; pute\u021bi s-o face\u021bi \u0219i dumneavoastr\u0103 folosind aceste prezum\u021bii:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>NN Patrimonial\u00a0Balanced<\/strong> &#8211; 5.86% profit anual, 2.27% costuri totale, 1.5% front-load, 5000 EU investi\u021bie ini\u021bial\u0103 pe termen de 20 de ani;<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ishares.com\/uk\/individual\/en\/products\/253713\/ishares-dow-jones-industrial-average-ucits-etf\" target=\"_blank\">iShares DowJones Industrial Average <\/a>&#8211; 8.16% profit anual, 0.33% costuri, 0% load (doar 7 lire sterline de cumparat), 5000 EU investi\u021bie ini\u021bial\u0103 pe termen de 20 de ani;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Diferen\u021ba este de&#8230; sta\u021bi bine pe scaun? &#8211; <strong>8700 EU<\/strong>! Un ETF foarte stabil, cu acel MER (cost administrativ mic) este, de departe, o investi\u021bie muuuuult mai bun\u0103 dec\u00e2t acel fond mutual (foarte bun) oferit de ING\/NN.<\/p>\n<p><em>Da, dar este complicat<\/em>! <em>Dar este riscant<\/em>!\u00a0ETF-ul\u00a0iShares este distribuit dup\u0103 cum urmeaz\u0103:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Industrie &#8211; 19.27%<\/li>\n<li>IT &#8211; 16.94%<\/li>\n<li>Consumator Discre\u021bionare &#8211; 16.26%<\/li>\n<li>Finan\u021be (b\u0103nci etc.) &#8211; 15.21%<\/li>\n<li>S\u0103n\u0103tate (companii farmaceutice) &#8211; 12.48%<\/li>\n<li>Produse de baz\u0103 &#8211; 7.65% \u0219.a.m.d.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<figure id=\"attachment_339\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-339\" style=\"width: 670px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/etf-savings.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-339\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-339\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/etf-savings.png\" alt=\"Aceast\u0103 poz\u0103 a fost &quot;\u00eemprumutat\u0103&quot; de la un site din US. Comisioanele sunt mai dureroase \u00een Europa. \" width=\"670\" height=\"620\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/etf-savings.png 670w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/etf-savings-300x278.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 670px) 100vw, 670px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-339\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Aceast\u0103 poz\u0103 a fost &#8220;\u00eemprumutat\u0103&#8221; de la un site din US. Comisioanele sunt mai dureroase \u00een Europa.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Complicat? Deloc &#8211; deschide\u021bi un cont la un broker, muta\u021bi banii acolo \u0219i apoi v\u0103 ar\u0103t eu cum s\u0103 cump\u0103ra\u021bi 3-4 ETF-uri cu distribu\u021bie larg\u0103 care v\u0103 vor genera (\u00een termen lung) profituri infinit mai substan\u021biale dec\u00e2t mizeria de la banc\u0103.<\/p>\n<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/15\/buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta\/\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/15\/buie-manca-dupa-modelul-puie-monta\/\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Nu este nevoie s\u0103 v\u0103 spun c\u00e2t de penibile sunt dob\u00e2nzile la\u00a0conturile de economii. Erau penibile\u00a0ultima dat\u0103 c\u00e2nd le-am cercetat iar acum au devenit de-a dreptul jignitoare. ING ofer\u0103, \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, o dob\u00e2nd\u0103 \u00een euro de&#8230; (mi-e ru\u0219ine s-o spun\/scriu) de 0.2%\/an. \u0218i lauda lor cea mai mare e c\u0103 nu-\u021bi iau comision. Cu alte cuvinte &#8220;Haide, b\u0103i, Cristi, nu te mai pl\u00e2nge, c\u0103 nu-\u021bi iau nici un ban c\u0103-\u021bi folosesc banii!&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[343],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-336","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educatie"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/336","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=336"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/336\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":340,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/336\/revisions\/340"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=336"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=336"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=336"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}