{"id":341,"date":"2016-03-16T03:32:19","date_gmt":"2016-03-16T03:32:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/?p=341"},"modified":"2016-03-16T03:32:19","modified_gmt":"2016-03-16T03:32:19","slug":"buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/16\/buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv\/","title":{"rendered":"Buie Manca! (ep. 2 &#8211; &#8220;cum s\u0103 d\u0103m buie efectiv&#8221;)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/16\/buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv\/\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/16\/buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv\/\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div><p>Am stabilit c\u0103 \u0219i \u00een cazul unor fonduri mutuale diversificate \u0219i nu chiar \u00eengrozitoare cum ofer\u0103 ING-ul c\u0103r\u021bile nu sunt date pentru ca individul s\u0103 c\u00e2\u0219tige. Nu v\u0103 mai vorbesc de produsele de la BCR sau alte b\u0103nci, de exemplu, pentru c\u0103 sunt chiar deprimante.<\/p>\n<p>RE\u021aINE\u021aI: <strong>Nu vreau s\u0103 descurajez pe nimeni s\u0103 investeasc\u0103 \u00een ING<\/strong> &#8211; e o metod\u0103 mai facil\u0103 \u0219i, oric\u00e2t de mult \u0219i-ar \u021bine pentru ei, r\u0103m\u00e2ne pentru dumneavoastr\u0103 mai mult dec\u00e2t mizilicul de 0.2% al contului de economie. Dac\u0103, \u00een ciuda asigur\u0103rilor mele c\u0103 totul e banal, nu\u00a0dori\u021bi s\u0103 investi\u021bi \u00a0cu m\u00e2nu\u021ba dumneavoastr\u0103, v\u0103 \u00een\u021beleg \u0219i fondurile ING sunt mai bune dec\u00e2t altele. \u00a0Mai exist\u0103 un motiv\u00a0care unii oameni ar putea pleca pe alt drum de economisire- <strong>suma cu care se poate \u00eencepe investi\u021bia\u00a0este, \u00een multe cazuri, de 5000 EU<\/strong>.\u00a0<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Dup\u0103 o c\u0103utare detaliat\u0103 a internetului, am dat peste [\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ssifbroker.ro\/index.html\" target=\"_blank\">SSIFBROKER<\/a>\u00a0]. Mai d\u0103dusem \u0219i peste institu\u021bii mai prestigioase, cum ar fi SAXO BANK, prin care pute\u021bi investi \u00een ETF-uri \u0219i fonduri mutuale din Vest, dar tarifele lor de tranzac\u021bionare mi s-au p\u0103rut cam mari. Exist\u0103, desigur multe locuri \u00een care pute\u021bi tranzac\u021biona la BVB&#8230; dar eu unul n-a\u0219 face-o. \u00cen cadrul legislativ, fiscal \u0219i politic actual (actual = 25 de ani) nu am\u00a0\u00eencredere \u00een economia rom\u00e2neasc\u0103. [ tare a\u0219 dori s\u0103 v\u0103d patrio\u021bii c\u0103-\u0219i pun banii acolo unde le este vorba &#8211; adic\u0103 la Bursa de Valori din Bucure\u0219ti ].<\/p>\n<p>Am cerut un CONT DEMO de la SSIFBROKER. Da, e un lucru foarte simplu &#8211;\u00a0generalizat \u00een Vest. Cet\u0103\u021beanul simplu \u00ee\u0219i poate face, cu efort minim, un cont de &#8220;joac\u0103&#8221;. Astfel omul se poate familiariza \u0219i poate vedea cu proprii ochi c\u0103 nu e nimic de speriat. Poate testa strategii bursiere \u0219i se poate convinge c\u0103 \u0219tie ceea ce face.<\/p>\n<p>Din nefericire, ca \u00een multe alte locuri \u00een Rom\u00e2nia, a deschide un cont online \u00eenseamn\u0103 \u00een fapt trimiterea unui email la o persoan\u0103 \u0219i a\u0219teptarea unui r\u0103spuns. Dup\u0103 36 de ore am primit acel r\u0103spuns &#8211; \u00eencludea un nume de utilizator (ales de SSIFBROKER) \u0219i o parol\u0103 precum \u0219i link-uri c\u0103tre resurse destul de bune &#8211; clipuri video despre ce ofer\u0103, cum se fac ordinele, documenta\u021bie etc. Am avut ceva probleme \u00eencerc\u00e2nd s\u0103 descarc platforma software de tranzac\u021bionare &#8211; a\u0219a c\u0103 <strong>am cerut ajutorul agentului de serviciu prin chat<\/strong>. Dup\u0103 doar 4-5 min, acest a ap\u0103rut \u0219i mi-a dat [\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ssifbroker.ro\/servicii-de-tranzactionare-online\/download-platforme-piata-interna\/download-platforme-piata-internationala.html\" target=\"_blank\">link-ul corect<\/a>\u00a0], de la care clientul poate fie desc\u0103rca un program\u00a0Windows, fie poate tranzac\u021biona \u00een fereastra browserului (merge cu Chrome si probabil nu are nici o problem\u0103 cu IE). Interac\u021bia cu agentul a fost bun\u0103 (\u0219i mi-a pl\u0103cut \u0219i email-ul ini\u021bial care con\u021binea multe informa\u021bii ).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif0.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-342\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-342 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif0-300x135.png\" alt=\"SSIFBROKER\" width=\"300\" height=\"135\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif0-300x135.png 300w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif0-768x346.png 768w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif0.png 815w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Deoarece doream s\u0103 evaluez cele mai simple func\u021bii, m-am limitat la versiunea WEB. Din fereastra de mai sus pute\u021bi vedea c\u0103 logarea e simpl\u0103 &#8211; username\/parola primite &#8211; \u0219i selec\u021biona\u021bi &#8220;<em>Paper Trading<\/em>&#8221; ( tranzac\u021bionare fictiv\u0103). O dat\u0103 loga\u021bi ve\u021bi\u00a0fi \u00eent\u00e2mpina\u021bi de un meniu relativ simplu:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_343\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-343\" style=\"width: 782px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif5.png\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-343\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-343 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif5.png\" alt=\"Meniul are 2 zone - cea de meniu general \u0219i cea \u00een care plasa\u021bi ordinul de cump\u0103rare\/v\u00e2nzare\" width=\"782\" height=\"455\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif5.png 782w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif5-300x175.png 300w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif5-768x447.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 782px) 100vw, 782px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-343\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Meniul are 2 zone &#8211; cea de meniu general \u0219i cea \u00een care plasa\u021bi ordinul de cump\u0103rare\/v\u00e2nzare<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00cen partea de sus ave\u021bi multe lucruri op\u021bionale. Pentru \u00eenceput, e interesant acel <strong>Search &#8211; C\u0103utare<\/strong>. Cu ea putem c\u0103uta acele vehicule de investi\u021bie pe care dorim s\u0103 le cump\u0103r\u0103m (avem nevoie de codul lor bursier ca s\u0103 facem comanda). Selec\u021bion\u0103m ce anume c\u0103ut\u0103m (toate bursele din lume au sute de mii de companii listate.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_344\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-344\" style=\"width: 754px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif_search.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-344\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-344\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif_search.png\" alt=\"C\u0103ut\u0103m codul ETF-ului (sau stocului, fondului mutual etc.) dorit. \" width=\"754\" height=\"586\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif_search.png 754w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif_search-300x233.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 754px) 100vw, 754px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-344\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">C\u0103ut\u0103m codul ETF-ului (sau stocului, fondului mutual etc.) dorit.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Vanguard este (dac\u0103 nu m\u0103 \u00een\u0219el)\u00a0cel mai mare\u00a0gestionar de fonduri mutuale cu comisioane extrem de mici \u0219i ETF-uri. Blackrock (iShares) \u00eel urm\u0103re\u0219te de aproape. C\u0103utarea, dup\u0103 cum vede\u021bi, se poate face dup\u0103\u00a0multe criterii &#8211; dup\u0103 numele gestionarului, dup\u0103 pia\u021ba bursier\u0103 unde ac\u021biunile\/ETF-ul (TSE, NYSE etc.) sunt listate etc.<\/p>\n<p>Iat\u0103 cum se face cel mai simplu ordin de cump\u0103rare:<a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif1.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-346\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-346\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif1.png\" alt=\"Ordin simplu de cump\u0103rare\" width=\"753\" height=\"342\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif1.png 753w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif1-300x136.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 753px) 100vw, 753px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"color: #ffff00;\">Galben<\/span> &#8211; ac\u021biunea: Cump\u0103r\u0103 (Buy) sau Vinde (Sell)<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Ro\u0219u<\/span> &#8211; cantitatea (100)<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #99cc00;\">Vernil<\/span> &#8211; ce anume? \u00cen acest caz este VXC (Vanguard FTSE All-World Ex Canada Index ETF).<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Albastru <\/span>&#8211; c\u00e2t oferi\u021bi pentru fiecare unitate? Pentru c\u0103 am ales MKT &#8211; market &#8211; \u00eenseamn\u0103 c\u0103 oferim c\u00e2t\u00a0cere pia\u021ba.<\/li>\n<li><span style=\"color: #ff00ff;\">TIF<\/span> &#8211; Nu \u0219tiu de la ce vine &#8211; e timpul c\u00e2t acest ordin r\u0103m\u00e2ne activ. Pentru acest ordin simplu este &#8220;Day&#8221; &#8211; p\u00e2n\u0103 ce se \u00eenchide bursa. Dac\u0103, s\u0103 spunem (prin absurd), nimeni nu vinde VXC &#8211; ordinul nu poate fi \u00eendeplinit \u0219i r\u0103m\u00e2ne valid p\u00e2n\u0103 la cap\u0103tul zilei, c\u00e2nd este anulat.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Iat\u0103 un ordin mai &#8220;complicat&#8221;:<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_347\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-347\" style=\"width: 936px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif4.png\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-347\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-347\" src=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif4.png\" alt=\"Ordin cu limit\u0103 ajuns la stadiul confirm\u0103rii.\" width=\"936\" height=\"319\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif4.png 936w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif4-300x102.png 300w, http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/03\/ssif4-768x262.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 936px) 100vw, 936px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-347\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ordin cu limit\u0103 ajuns la stadiul confirm\u0103rii.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00cen aceast\u0103 poz\u0103 am schimbat ordinul anterior pentru a avea limit\u0103 (LMT). C\u00e2nd am c\u0103utat ETF-ul, am ap\u0103sat pe acel GO \u0219i a descoperit investi\u021bia \u0219i c\u00e2\u021biva parametri dup\u0103 care ne ghid\u0103m c\u00e2nd facem\u00a0ordinul:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Bid<\/strong> &#8211; e c\u00e2t se ofer\u0103 pe ac\u021biunea (unitatea e mai corect) VXC &#8211; 28.56$ CAD<\/li>\n<li><strong>Ask<\/strong> &#8211; e c\u00e2t cer cump\u0103r\u0103torii &#8211; 28.59$ CAD<\/li>\n<li><strong>Last<\/strong> &#8211; e cu c\u00e2t s-a efectuat ultima tranzac\u021bie &#8211; 28.57$ CAD<\/li>\n<li><strong>High<\/strong> &#8211; e c\u00e2t a fost pre\u021bul maxim al zilei &#8211; 28.63$ CAD<\/li>\n<li><strong>Low<\/strong> &#8211; pre\u021bul minim al zilei &#8211; 28.53$ CAD<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Din poz\u0103 se vede c\u0103 ordinul meu era de 100 de unit\u0103\u021bi, 28.40$\/unitate, deci 2840$ CAD + comision (care nu e calculat), ordin de zi (deci dac\u0103 nimeni nu e dispus s\u0103 v\u00e2nd\u0103 100 ac\u021biuni de\u00a0VXC cu 28.4$ CAD p\u00e2n\u0103 la cap\u0103tul zilei, ordinul va fi anulat.<\/p>\n<p>Este a\u0219a de greu? Sunt convins c\u0103 a\u021bi mai sc\u0103pat pu\u021bin de frica de a &#8220;juca&#8221; la burs\u0103 &#8211; mai ales pentru c\u0103 noi nu juc\u0103m. Ve\u021bi investi, pas cu pas, banii, \u0219i ve\u021bi a\u0219tepta s\u0103 culege\u021bi beneficiile.<\/p>\n<p>DAR ce anume s\u0103 cump\u0103r\u0103m? &#8220;Orice&#8221; &#8211; ar fi un r\u0103spuns simplu dar nu foarte de ajutor. \u00cen func\u021bie de v\u00e2rsta, de preferin\u021ba de risc, de sofisticarea investitorului, exist\u0103 diverse strategii &#8211; despre\u00a0cele mai banale \u0219i eficiente pentru micul investitor vom discuta cur\u00e2nd.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Declara\u021bie<\/strong>: <em>Nu sunt \u00een nici un fel afiliat cu ace\u0219ti SSIFBROKER \u0219i nu garantez c\u0103 sunt cei mai buni sau mai ieftini. Nu conteaz\u0103 at\u00e2t de mult &#8211; o dat\u0103 ce a\u021bi cump\u0103rat ceva, sunte\u021bi proprietarul acelor ac\u021biuni\/unit\u0103\u021bi. De\u021bin VXC dar cred c\u0103 le voi schimba pentru XAW (aproape acela\u0219i lucru dar de la iShares\/Blackrock). NU SUGEREZ s\u0103 cump\u0103ra\u021bi VXC &#8211; e folosit doar pentru exemplificare<\/em>.<\/p>\n<div class=\"fcbkbttn_buttons_block\" id=\"fcbkbttn_left\"><div class=\"fcbkbttn_like \"><fb:like href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/16\/buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv\/\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\" layout=\"standard\"  width=\"225px\" size=\"small\"><\/fb:like><\/div><div class=\"fb-share-button  \" data-href=\"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/2016\/03\/16\/buie-manca-ep-2-cum-sa-dam-buie-efectiv\/\" data-type=\"button_count\" data-size=\"small\"><\/div><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Am stabilit c\u0103 \u0219i \u00een cazul unor fonduri mutuale diversificate \u0219i nu chiar \u00eengrozitoare cum ofer\u0103 ING-ul c\u0103r\u021bile nu sunt date pentru ca individul s\u0103 c\u00e2\u0219tige. Nu v\u0103 mai vorbesc de produsele de la BCR sau alte b\u0103nci, de exemplu, pentru c\u0103 sunt chiar deprimante. RE\u021aINE\u021aI: Nu vreau s\u0103 descurajez pe nimeni s\u0103 investeasc\u0103 \u00een ING &#8211; e o metod\u0103 mai facil\u0103 \u0219i, oric\u00e2t de mult \u0219i-ar \u021bine pentru ei, r\u0103m\u00e2ne pentru dumneavoastr\u0103 mai mult dec\u00e2t mizilicul de 0.2% al contului de economie. Dac\u0103, \u00een ciuda asigur\u0103rilor mele c\u0103 totul e banal, nu\u00a0dori\u021bi s\u0103 investi\u021bi \u00a0cu m\u00e2nu\u021ba dumneavoastr\u0103, v\u0103 \u00een\u021beleg \u0219i fondurile ING sunt mai bune dec\u00e2t altele. \u00a0Mai exist\u0103 un motiv\u00a0care unii oameni ar putea pleca pe alt drum de economisire- suma cu care se poate \u00eencepe investi\u021bia\u00a0este, \u00een multe cazuri, de 5000 EU.\u00a0<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_s2mail":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[343,344],"tags":[373,376,440,470,496,543,553],"class_list":["post-341","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-educatie","category-investitii","tag-blackrock","tag-broker","tag-etf","tag-ishares","tag-ordin-de-cumparare","tag-ssifbroker","tag-vanguard"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/341","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=341"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/341\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":348,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/341\/revisions\/348"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=341"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=341"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.2link.ca\/bugetfamilial\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=341"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}